Episode 168

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28th Oct 2025

The greener way to gold: Artisan miners on the rise

This week on The Greenway podcast, Michelle Baltazar, executive director of media at FS Sustainability, sits down with Shaokai Fan, head of asia pacific (ex china) and global head of central banks at the World Gold Council (WGC), to discuss the role of the WGC in enhancing the gold market, the significant rise in gold prices, and the importance of responsible gold mining principles.

The discuss the challenges and initiatives surrounding artisanal small-scale gold mining (ASGM), including the use of mercury, exploitative labor practices, and efforts to improve traceability, processing plants, and responsible sourcing.

01:11 Understanding the World Gold Council

02:05 Gold price trends and market insights

02:41 Responsible gold mining principles

04:04 Artisanal and Small-Scale Gold Mining (ASGM)

00:00 Challenges and initiatives in ASGM

06:15 Super funds and investment opportunities

07:14 Innovations in gold traceability

08:36 Central banks and responsible gold buying

10:05 Addressing labour exploitation and modern slavery

12:28 Gender diversity in mining

13:31 Future of ASGM and gold market



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